The Diocese of Texas had their election for Bishop Co-Adjutor on May 24. There was a little bit of a surprise in that Andrew Doyle, Bishop Don Wimberly's henchman, got the nod instead of Bishop Dena Harrison. Harrison has a lot of pull around the Diocese, especially in Austin which is very liberal. My opinion(and mine only) is that Wimberly turned the screws on some of the clergy. I am so glad that I am no longer in that mess. The Episcopal Church is an organization that no longer resembles a church. It is run by an individual who is not a christian who has a lawyer behind her back suing other congregations. Not my type of church.
Erik
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Does "Orthodox" mean angry, hateful and judgmental? Does it mean narrow minded and egotistical?
What is "unorthodox" about "Love your neighbor as yourself" "Judge not, lest ye be judged" "Love thine enemy""Blessed are the Meek" "Blessed are the peacemakers".
You people need to find a mirror and see if you can find the Christian inside that has so clearly been lost.
Ahhhh psittacid! How narrow minded your words are! How hateful! ;>)
BTW, I'm curious, in a much more serious tone, does your online alias mean "parrot" or "parrot-lover" or what? I couldn't nail down a definition. Thanks!
I don't know about anybody else, other than Erik (a good friend) and I, but we're not angry or hateful. Now "judgemental" almost applies. We DO try to discern the differences between truth and lie and other fictions.
The truth of Scripture is the yardstick of orthodoxy, not how I "feel." As an Episcopalian, until 4/13/08, I was taught the three foundational stones of our faith was Scripture, Tradition and Reason. Feeling must come LAST - as in not even on the list.
For example: Loving the convicted sex criminal two houses away never meant allowing him "quiet" time with my wife or children or even myself. Other than that, we had a good, neighborly relationship with the gentleman. He helped us and we tried to help him when appropriate.
When Jesus said to do something, or not do something, He meant it.
Avoid sin XYZ. Love your neighbor. Do ZYX. Next question? ;>)
If you're in the area, you're welcome to visit with our congregation. We will not ask you about your sexual "preference" or the details of your "life style." WE DON'T CARE! If you are a baptised believer in Jesus, the Chriist, you are welcome to share at His table with us. *I* will kneel/stand at your side.
Moving on: From our perspective, Wimberly, Doyle and crew (and their masters) are in a deadly situation. They continually and repeatedly walk away from the TRADITIONAL gospel of Jesus. That's the one that says SCRIPTURE is "the Word of God." To mess with whatever GOD says is to walk through quicksand. They have been WARNED by their brothers in the Anglican Communion. The TEo has chosen to do things, repeatedly, that God's Word tells us not to. They now must deal with the consequences of their decisions.
Personal Note: Most of our parish (about 85% according my Aggie math) left the TEo last month. We are currently working under the cover of AMiA and the Anglican Church of Rwanda. Thank God no can accuse us of racism any more. hehe :>)
God Bless Ya' Psittacid. You ARE loved.
Aggie, Class of '70
An Anglican Firearms "Enthusiast"
Thank you, Gene. My sentiments exactly. Seems like someone is a little angry, don't you think?
Aggie,
I am perplexed by your characterization of me as narrow-minded. I support ordination of women, ordination and marriage of gays, use of modern spiritual texts, and meaningful interpretation of the bible and other texts to address the challenges of an evolving society in a changing world. I also do not care if you shifted into neutral in the 18th century. I only wrote to address your conceit that the sky will fall because of people who do not believe as you do. I exemplify open-minded...the condition that you seem to fear most.
You should also know that you are not capable of making me angry, as I do not have a narrow dogma to protect and am happy for you to believe whatever you wish.
You speak of "truth of scripture" but do not acknowledge what a moving target this is. The Bible is internally inconsistent, and can be skillfully used to support a variety of viewpoints on a variety of subjects, including killing, polygamy, slavery and others. Your interpretation of scriptures reveals more about you than it does about the scripture itself.
The fear of change, loss of control, or whatever it is that drives what I see in this blog, is a prison of the mind, not the unquestionable dictates of scripture. I feel compassion for the pain that this surely causes you. Confusing one's own opinion with the will of God is truly sad. The extremes of this play out in situations like the one in West Texas (and the White House, too, for that matter).
I hope that you can find a way to get past the chains of your thinking and open to the sacred in reality, independent of your fearful judgment. This is the best that I could wish for anyone.
Howdy psittacid!
You wrote:
"I hope that you can find a way to get past the chains of your thinking and open to the sacred in reality, independent of your fearful judgment."
It's kinda funny, I feel the same way toward the "progressives" on the other side of the argument. We do agree about many things.
Your statement "This is the best that I could wish for anyone." does leave me concerned. God's BEST far exceeds your wish. As Jesus said, salvation is only through Him.
BTW Scripture can not be a "moving target." It was fixed over a thousand years into the canon we have today. It IS internally consistent when accurately translated and interpreted, as are many fine versions present today.
You and I disagree on interpretation, the meaning of words. Or in the words of Slick Wille, the "meaning of IS."
Perhaps we need to agree to disagree. What do you think?
In that sense, my family was willing to walk AWAY from the Epiciscopal organization's leadership in order to continue worhsipping and practising as I understand God's will.
The Episcopal organization changed to follow the culture around it instead of molding the culture to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
God Bless Ya'll !
Hi Erick,
I have been out of commission for a while and have not stopped by. How are you and the family? Hopefully well.
It was refreshing to see that psittacid does not have a narrow dogma to protect and is happy for you to be narrow-minded and egotistical.
Evidently psittacid's wide dogma is pro namecalling.
Psittacid the world should be viewed through the lens of the Bible. Unfortunately you view the Bible through the lens of the world.
These gentlemen have a different worldview than you. You say you are happy for them to believe what they want but you use terms such as angry, hateful, judgmental, narrow minded, and egotistical to describe them.
Why the animosity if you are happy for them to believe what they want?
It seems your wide dogma is one that is happy for other people to believe what they want as long as they agree with you.
You said:
"What is "unorthodox" about "Love your neighbor as yourself" "Judge not, lest ye be judged" "Love thine enemy""Blessed are the Meek" "Blessed are the peacemakers"."
You have not shown love to these gentlemen. You have judged them. You have not shown humility. You have not sought to have a civil discussion regarding your differences.
You provided the mirror. How do you shape up regarding your dogma?
You remind me of the Pharisee who thanked God that he was better than those around him.
You are a Pharisee hiding behind the guise of being open minded. You have become what you claim to despise.
Hopefully I have not taken up too much space on your blog, Erick.
I will be praying for you and I will be commenting more frequently.
I will pray for you too psittacid.
No. Please don't.
Hi Psittacid,
Sorry, you can not stop us
from praying for you.
My prayer for you is that God opens your heart and mind to what He has for you.
Please note, other than the fact of origination, I'm not telling God anything other than what He has already said He wants to do in each of us.
Besides all that, let's just blame it all on God! hehe
God bless ya'll !
Aggie, Class of '70
An Anglican Firearms "Enthusiast"
Good to see you too, RC! Good to see you back. The wife is ok. I have had a hard time with a fractured knee(stress fracture) and have been in physical therapy. I'm wearing a brace that has helped me out at work. The threapy has definitely helped. God is good.
psttacid, it says in Leviticus 18:22 that a man should not lie with a man the way he lies with a woman. That's proof to me that "God is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Hebrews 13:8
Also, Paul, in the letter to the Roman church said that God gave over the people to their degrading passions. Romans Chapter 1. God is unchanging. No matter how much you say otherwise the scriptures never change. Also, no matter how much you kick and scream, we will pray for you.
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